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Post by liaveekeli on Aug 2, 2010 22:44:36 GMT
The thing is, if it's just an anagram, what's with the numbers? They have to be there for a reason, right? Otherwise, why go through the trouble of writing them in the first place. I think maybe the numbers are the key to the rest of the code, but I can't be sure. So far I haven't gotten anything useful
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Post by mravoncroft on Aug 3, 2010 18:56:05 GMT
Talking of Sherlock, that thing in your hair Cath, it's not made of jade by any chance? We could do with an unexpected £9 million sterling to restore some of the buildings - we've just been going through the cost of repairing some of the buildings and it's nearly three times the amount of the grant we got towards it. Do mind the slipping slates as you go an photograph won't you!
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Post by eiram80 on Aug 3, 2010 19:19:29 GMT
The funny thing is that, this time around, the item from the "future" doesn't seem to be displacing anything that should have been there, as with the last two incidents (unless I am wrong). Was something else supposed to be behind the washboard?
This seems to contradict what Prof Croft theorized about displacement . . . I'd like his thoughts.
Two of the articles in this futuristic edition mention theft.
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Post by CathCat on Aug 4, 2010 8:53:23 GMT
Liaveekeli, maybe the numbers tell us something to help us with anagramming? I don't know what... orders of something? Seems odd just to have five numbers. Maybe I'll go get a list of codes and see if anything looks likely.
Sorry Simon, my fabulous purple flower has no trace of jade in it! It's unlikely to be worth an unexpected £9 million either, since I bought it from New Look... but if anyone wants to pay me a few million pounds for it they're very welcome to!
Eiram, there might have been something behind the washboard. I can't find any pictures of the room that don't have the newspaper behind it, so I've no way of knowing what was there before. I'll ask Sarah if she knows what might have been there.
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Post by mravoncroft on Aug 4, 2010 19:45:44 GMT
Was something else supposed to be behind the washboard? This seems to contradict what Prof Croft theorized about displacement . . . I'd like his thoughts. If there was something behind the washboard, I can't recall what it was - it could have been something one of the education staff had put in there or maybe there was nothing - I haven't noticed anything significant missing. With regard to Prof Croft and his theories, I must say I found his assertion that "Old objects accrue a sort of time-related strength, a presence, which they exert on the space-time fabric. When you collect a lot of old objects together in one place, this has a tendency to make space-time in that location a little more... elastic, a little more pliable" was fascinating - on that basis my own home should be very wobbly in terms of space-time fabric, as I've collected lots of old objects over the years and they are packed in - mother and I gave up on keeping a spare bedroom as the ephemera and barometer collections grew. She herself is fascinated by Bow and other 18th century figurines, but as these are hugely expensive now, thankfully they haven't expanded as much. This theory would mean that any antique shop and every Museum in the country would be susceptible to holes in space/time fabric. One theory I have come across which may or may not have a bearing, but which I think is something we may be able to find partial evidence of in the near future is the ability of historic buildings to retain an energy signature or a historic emotional fingerprint in there material structures. It's one of the few paranormal theories which I think may have a chance of being scientifically based. The idea is that if a particularly violent event or one where there was a strong emotional energy given off happens in a particular location, the timbers or historic stonework or other parts of the physical room in which the event took place would retain the equivalent of emotional trace evidence which could be detected through some form of advanced mass spectrometry. If so, the argument goes, that the record of a past event which shows itself in a form of presence (we're talking paranormal type occurrences) it wouldn't necessarily matter that the building in which it occurred had been taken apart and moved from its original location, as what could be being manifested might be an emotional signature written into the fabric of the building like the sound recording of a voice recorded onto the wax cylinder of a phonograph. So if anyone feels a bit spooky again in the Prefab, it might be that the hologram of a past event of some emotional significance is embedded in the paintwork and asbestos concrete and from time to time becomes visible or one becomes sensitive to it.
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Post by liaveekeli on Aug 4, 2010 21:02:10 GMT
Liaveekeli, maybe the numbers tell us something to help us with anagramming? I don't know what... orders of something? Seems odd just to have five numbers. Maybe I'll go get a list of codes and see if anything looks likely. I thought so too, so I tried to divide the letters into groups of five, but I still didn't get anything tangible. But it's entirely possible that I missed the spesific word grouping that might have yielded something...
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Post by shrtyscott3 on Aug 4, 2010 21:04:34 GMT
I am officially stumped! I have asked all my friends for help on this. No one seems to be able to find anything through ROT or anagrams, and any cipher requires a password/code.
Maybe when I visit a museum this Friday, I'll find a newsletter/birthday card? I'll photograph the event.
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Post by GeorgeD on Aug 4, 2010 21:11:46 GMT
Maybe when I visit a museum this Friday, I'm in this friday painting eggs I'm not sure if the three musketeers are in, it's Cath's birthday Sunday i think and they're off somewhere
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Post by CathCat on Aug 4, 2010 22:09:16 GMT
Sarah reckoned there was an empty soap box back there, behind the washboard. Like a display one? No soap bar in it. But it was a bit squashed so they'd shoved it behind the board... I hope it wasn't too valuable. :S Sorry Simon if it was! I promised that I'd look up ciphers and I did. So, there are things called substitution ciphers, and transposition ciphers. Substitutions swap something for something else (like the Caesar does). Transpositions involve like grids and things. I'm not sure where the 12345 fits in, but maybe it could have more to do with a transposition than a substitution? Something to do with how the letters fit into the grid? Then there's more complicated ciphers like ones that use a reference text (like the A-Z one on Sherlock!) or grille codes... but they're even less likely for us to be able to figure out. And if someone is sending us a message, then it only makes sense that they'd give us all the information we needed, right? I wonder - do any of your 'associates' who knew about QR codes also know about ciphers? I know it might be a long shot, but I really think we need to find someone who knows something about codes. We are here on Friday, George! So you can give me that reallllly expensive present that I'm sure you've bought for me. Then we're partying at the weekend. Yay birthday!
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Post by Anna D on Aug 5, 2010 22:04:04 GMT
It's been quiet in here today. O.o
I like your thinking Cath... do you remember what I was saying today about this? For everyone else who wasn't in our conversation; I was thinking that the 12345 must relate to the code because it's in the same red pen. And that it only really makes sense with the transposition ciphers. But whatever I tried I just got some gibberish... anyone else have more luck?
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Post by shrtyscott3 on Aug 6, 2010 0:51:43 GMT
I am getting frustrated. I have tried transposition ciphers, and when it comes time to put the columns in order, nothing. It's all jumbled crap. The order on the newspaper of the numbers is 12345, so knowing that you would assume the columns are in that order.
I give up for tonight, but if anyone else wants to give it a shot, I leave you this:
Encrypted text ymnho oscgs utswp sosam rlpce
Decrypted text end 5ymnho oscgs utswp sosam rlpce
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Post by mensvenatus on Aug 6, 2010 1:19:30 GMT
Yay; got it.
It's a version of the Rail Fence cypher.
put it in a grid 7x5 gives you
N I Y M N H E O O S E G S T S U T S W P I E S O S I A M R L P I T C E
Or, "No seriously, stop messing with spacetime"
Now, that's either really cool, or someone is messing with our heads...why is it US that is messing with spacetime?
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Post by shrtyscott3 on Aug 6, 2010 1:27:32 GMT
I hate the future -___-
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Post by liaveekeli on Aug 6, 2010 13:32:07 GMT
Yay; got it. It's a version of the Rail Fence cypher. put it in a grid 7x5 gives you N I Y M N H E O O S E G S T S U T S W P I E S O S I A M R L P I T C E Or, "No seriously, stop messing with spacetime" Now, that's either really cool, or someone is messing with our heads...why is it US that is messing with spacetime? You are officially awesome! This has been bugging me for days... I agree that it's a bit of an unfair accusation, if indeed it's an accusation against us...we're not consciously doing anything to mess with space/time after all. But what if there's someone from the future here, in this time, and the newspaper is actually a piece of communication between two people? A bit far fetched, I know, but if it's possible to exchange things through time, maybe that also applies to people?
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Post by CathCat on Aug 6, 2010 15:50:57 GMT
Wow, congrats guys! Way to go being awesome at codes! I agree with Scott though... I hate the future too if they're going to be like that! As if we've done anything. :/ Maybe it is a communication with someone else. But if it is, then who? And should I put stuff back where we found it so that they can get the message? :/
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